12m low end - differences between Helium and Element (and Nitro)

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matrium00
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:56 am

Hi,

i am pretty sold on buying a 12m or 14m kite, but not sure which to choose? I weight 75kg nowadays and at my local lake the usual wind is between 5kn and 20kn, with many days that are around 10, where its difficult to tell if you will be able to kite (without ultra-light-wind foil stuff) at all.

14m is the biggest kite i want to handle, I tried bigger and they where just to slow and not funny (for me). 12m is much more fun for me and i've heard that they are usually really close in terms of wind range, so maybe a 12m is still good?

Now I felt like the Helium 3 should have the best low-end, with only 3 struts and (for that reason) less weight. But if I look at the actual windrange charts on the homepage the range of the Element6 (which i'd prefer for style reasons :lol: ) seems to be the same. That confuses me a little bit

How does the low end of the Switch Kites compare to each other. Is there a real noticable difference in kite weight? Which kite would you recommend?
matrium00
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Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:39 am

No one here with experience with both the Element and the Helium (preferably in a comparable size)?
Faxie
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Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:44 am

Can't compare, but Helium should be better...
matrium00
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:32 am

BUMP (sorry)

Or maybe you someone can give me a weight comparison? How much does the Element 12m weight vs the Helium 12m?
Faxie
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:51 pm

matrium00 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:32 am
BUMP (sorry)

Or maybe you someone can give me a weight comparison? How much does the Element 12m weight vs the Helium 12m?
Don't know, but the Helium is definitely lighter.
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:22 pm

I have a 12 Helium and had a 12 Element. It really comes down to what you want to do. If you twin tip than Element for sure. Surf and foil than Helium. They both have great low end. The helium is def lighter. The Element has a smoother powerband than the Helium. hence it being a beginner -expert kite. The helium if def more high performance with a on off power band great for surf,skim and foil. Jumps ok but would stick with the Element if I was still a avid Twin tipper.
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gtc
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:27 pm

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Faxie
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:24 am

gtc wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:27 pm
My advice as an E6 owner:

If you want a responsive, fast, light, and good upwind kite... don't go for the Element. In fact it's the complete opposite.

It's sad to say, but it's one of the worst kites I've had in my 15 years of kite experience. Bought it almost a year ago and I hate every time I have to kite with this piece of s*it. My 9m Wainman is way better in ALL aspects.

Regards!
You're talking about the 12m?

I found the 9 pretty responsive and plenty fast in turns and straight line. Upwind was good.
matrium00
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:16 am

gtc wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:27 pm
It's sad to say, but it's one of the worst kites I've had in my 15 years of kite experience. Bought it almost a year ago and I hate every time I have to kite with this piece of s*it. My 9m Wainman is way better in ALL aspects.
Can you explain that in greater detail maybe? What exactly is wrong with it?

Is it the 12m Version? In another thread you asked about flying it with a pretty small bar, do you still do that? Do you have flown other 12s to compare? Obviously a bigger kite does feel less responsive and slower than a small one, so i feel like you can only compare kites of (about) the same size
gtc
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:43 am

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