Switch Element V6

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eloiperin
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:14 pm

Little review about E6, 9m :
Conditions : 15/20kns, flat water, twintip (134x41), 85kg.

Very easy kite. Connect your bar and instantly enjoy your session.
I'm riding previously Nitro v5 & v6 but I will compare E6 to N6.

Good points :
- Relaunch
- Reactivity
- Ability to control kite even when bar is pushed
- Lighter bar pressure than N6
- Great depower
- Smooth kiteloop & great "ressource"
- Excelent stability
- Downloop are a lot easer than N6

Equal to N6 :
- Upwing performance
- Lift (maybe a litle lower but you can do great jumps with this kite)
- Wind range (I need to confirm it with stronger wind)

Bad points compare to N6 :
- Hangtime : You need to move your kite during jump to stay in air. So, with some downloops, this kite is very fun for old school tricks.
- Kiteloop power. If you like huge boost during kiteloop, this kite is wiser.

Next session, I will try to test drift with my strapless board.

Full review and videos are comming.

Eloi
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Bill C
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:33 pm

How about kite weight comparison between the E6 and N6? Thanks
jakoblondal
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:04 pm

Bill C wrote:How about kite weight comparison between the E6 and N6? Thanks
KITE ONLY:
Element6 9m used and packed up. = 3.8KG (8.37756596 pounds)
Nitro6 9m used and packed up. = 3.8kg (8.37756596 pounds)

In the switch kitebag:
Element6 9m used and packed up. = 5.1KG (11.2435754 pounds)
Nitro6 9m used and packed up. = 5.1KG (11.2435754 pounds)

Just did it now.
dtmt
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:17 pm

Minimal testing so far on 12M E6. Snow & light wind. What is noticeably different so far?

Much better launch/relaunch in light wind than E5

Flies better overall in light wind.

Smooth is very accurate.

Wife flew it mostly & if there's a way to wrap bridles or make a mess she usually finds it & she had her best session of the year on it. No bridle wraps no issues at all. She was really ecstatic that she was going upwind better than with E5 & it relaunched so easily.

I was on a Flysurfer Boost 2 - 15M and barely able to boost well going downhill & nothing on the flats so we didn't get a chance to check boosting or hang time or drift on the new E6

I honestly think its going to be a really nice improvement from E5 overall
Faxie
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:52 pm

Got an Element6 9m in the mail today to test. Not planning to keep it, because I don't think it suits my needs. But who knows, maybe I'll be stoked after riding it.

First impressions are good. It's the Switch quality as we know it. Canopy material is the same as previous models, and there's still a heavier grade in the TE, though there's a tiny bit more dacron too now. Not sure exactly why, because the TE of my V3's are still perfect, but I guess it's to compensate a bit for the lesser stabilizers (the triangular pieces)

Strut construction has changed back to the single seam, but now with a reinforcement strip along the entire seam, like Naish.

LE construction has changed slightly too. No constant curve anymore, and the segments are connected with a straight stitch folded 1 way secured with a zigzag. Imo that's a weaker construction, but given the fact that a lot of brands use it (including most of the 'A' brands) without real problems (though LE seam problems I've seen were all with that particular straight stitch... ) should make it strong enough at least. There are protective patches along all the seams like North/SS.

No other real differences construction-wise I think. Couldn't look into too much detail because I had to chase my cat away all the time, lol.

The kitebag is a nice bonus too. In stead of a normal sack with a string closure, you get a sack with a shoulder strap and 2 compression straps on the front plus a string closure. So that's a nice in-between alternative for a normal bag or a sack.

Gonna be a 30-35 knots day tomorrow, so probably gonna go for an overpowered session.
Faxie
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:16 pm

2,5 Hr session mostly flat water, bit choppy sometimes.

Disclaimer!! : The wind was 32-34 knots with gusts 40, I was waaay overpowerd (87kg, 9m, boots) so this 'review' is for highend only. Everybody was riding 7 or 8, some C-kites 9. C4X bar 55cm with 24m lines. Default settings on the bridle, and full power on the backline leaders.

Bad things first:

Ok first thing: When I launched, I pulled the entire trim strap just in case. What I noticed is that the kite steers very wel when fully depowered (better than previous models), so that's a good thing. What i didn't like is that when I just started, there was a gust and the kite fully collapsed to a flat shape and bounced back. I wasn't planning to try that again, so I put the trim halfway and never had the kite collapsing again during the session. Just something to consider when overpowerd.

Second thing: I didn't find it particularly stable in those gusty winds... it responds pretty good when a gust hits, not too agressive, but when the gust is gone, the kite falls back quite a bit and powers back up. The backlines sometimes went slack in those moments. You don't really feel the gusts in the bar itself, but you can definitely feel a lot of yanking on the front lines. All in all it feels a bit like you're on a seesaw sometimes. I've flown my 10m Legacy a few weeks ago in similar winds, and it behaved much better. Older Elements behave better in their extreme highend too. At the end of the session the wind had dropped a few knots, and the kite behaved better but still not as good as the previous models.

Now that's out of the way, it's time for the good and neutral things:

Neutral:

- Barpressure is not high, but not low either. Just medium, and that's fine. Comparable to the V3-V4 Elements.
- Upwind performance when overpowered is not great, but not bad either. Bit middle of the road. I felt my older Elements were just slightly better.
- Leading edge is thicker than the previous models.
- There is a slight lag in steering response, but nothing bad or anything. Comparable to a F-One Bandit or 2017 North Evo. Previous Elements responded quicker.

Good:

- Good power to size ratio. Better than previous models.
- Jumps very easy. Just bring it up and pull the bar. Better than previous models, those require more technique.
- Jumps very smoothly, comparable to an Ozone Edge. No big yank, but nice lift.
- A lot of hangtime, more than previous models. Was a lot of fun to be honest, with an extra little boost almost every jump thanks to the gusty winds. You have to work the kite though, because you land with some speed. Downloops are comfortable.
- Pretty fast turning kite. Not as fast as the V4 though. Turning feels smooth too.
- Bar pressure is pretty linear along the sheeting distance, even fully depowered.
- Relaunch is very good, though it will wobble on it's tip in those high winds.
- Overhead stabillty is very good. Will try again in lighter winds.

Again the disclaimer: This was near the upper limit of the kite. So keep that in mind.

Friday should be a 17-20 knots day, so I hope I can do some unhooking, looping and wavekiting then. Couldn't really throw the kite around today. (No way I'm kitelooping 30+ in that cold weather)
beliyninja123
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:19 am

Faxie wrote:there was a gust and the kite fully collapsed to a flat shape and bounced back
thats common problem for airush kites with 3 pullies
jakoblondal
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:11 am

beliyninja123 wrote:
Faxie wrote:there was a gust and the kite fully collapsed to a flat shape and bounced back
thats common problem for airush kites with 3 pullies
This can happen on ANY kite, Pullys or not.. Even a trainer kite kan do this if its really gusty....
Faxie
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:31 pm

jakoblondal wrote:
beliyninja123 wrote:
Faxie wrote:there was a gust and the kite fully collapsed to a flat shape and bounced back
thats common problem for airush kites with 3 pullies
This can happen on ANY kite, Pullys or not.. Even a trainer kite kan do this if its really gusty....
Nope, not any kite. At least not on an Element 3 7m in 53 knots gusts.
Faxie
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:46 pm

I had another go with the 9m in completely different conditions yesterday. Wind was 16-18 knots, so not enough for the twintip, but I went strapless, so this will be a onshore wave review.

So 16-18 knots, almost fully onshore, with leftover windswell from the storm af the day before, so 1-1,5m waves with little distance between them and not completely blownout. Used the same C4X bar with 24m lines to have a fair comparison between this and the last session. Normally I would ride 20m lines in the waves, but the last few sessions on my 7 and 9 m I used the 24m too because I was too lazy to remove te extensions, lol.

First things first: The kite was way more stable now. Still dances around the edge a bit, but very gentle. When riding you don't even notice it. Overhead stability is very good. Only way I could get the kite to fall down was to fully pull the trim, and let the bar shoot to full depower while walking forward. Otherwise it just stayed in the air.

Second thing: I did my best to get the bridle to tangle in shallow water (didn't want to do it when riding... waves close at each other, risk of losing my board, and lots of current) but no such luck. When the kite is inflated you can't get the main pulley over the wingtip. Maybe if it loses some pressure and you really really bend the tip inwards, but you can get any bridle to tangle that way ofcourse. So that's a big plus.

It has more power than the previous Elements, not much, but there's more. It retains a bit more power after transitioning too, so switching feet is easier. Where the V3 and V4 (no experience with V5) sometimes had a slight hesitation to climb again for the upstroke, I didn't experience that with the V6. It turned and climbed smoothly right away. Power delivery in loops felt the same to me.

The kite feels very smooth, and barpressure is medium, about the same as previous Elements. When travelling across the window, the power delivery is smooth. Not a real peak that yanks on your hook.

Relaunch is better than previous Elements. When the kite sits in front of you, and you let it travel to te side, it is very similar to previous models, but on the previous models the sharp bend in the wingtip would create too much drag on the water when the kite was almost at the edge, so you had to be gentle in the lowend or the kite would fall down again. The V6 doesn't experience that tip drag thanks to the round LE at the tips.

So is it all good? ... Not entirely imo. While it is by no means a slow kite, it does repond a little slower on barinput than the V3-V4, and it turned slightly slower. Not a big deal though. Still faster than a Bandit for example.

The drift is extremely good, as long as you keep the kite a bit higher up. I noticed when I had the kite at 10 or 2 o'clock it was a bit noseheavy after a few seconds of drift.

Another thing I noticed is that the response with slack lines is less than the previous models.

Upwind is good. I didn't have any problems riding out with the full onshore wind and waves.

So the verdict so far: I think the previous models work better as pure wavekites, though some people experience bridlewraps. As a beginner/allrounder/freeride kite the new V6 would please more people I think, as long as you're not pushing it to extremes.

I hope to give it a go at freestyle, but the winds aren't looking that great at the moment unfortunately.
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